“It takes two to tango” : Enlargement Commissioner Štefan Füle comments on Macedonia's accession talks and name dispute with Greece

It`s harder than you think. Author of the text by not checking relevant sources, committed deliberate (or not) attempt to just rationalize his feelings or ideas about the subject at hand. So, I will start and try to go some lengths, and I kindly ask others to join me. Please separate facts and opinions.

"Since 1995, Macedonia has beard a humiliating name. "
– Macedonia does not bear any humiliating name. The right to name a country is on their citizens. It is not on EU, UN, any other country. Let's check the Ireland/UK situation. UK does not like the Ireland name as it is not show that there's one part of the island of Ireland under UK rule. Therefore, they choose not to call it simple Ireland, but Republic of Ireland (ROI as short name). So, as its own citizens are not a bunch of nuts to choose a humiliating name for its own country, Macedonia is quite happy with its own name.

"The country is called „The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia“(hereafter FYROM) as the international community does not recognize the constitutional name of the „Republic of Macedonia“ by and large."
– Since 1992, Macedonia is member of the UN under its constitutional name, BUT, UN refuses to use it - it provisionally refers to my country as "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" for all purposes within United Nations. Macedonia was bullied into talks about its name with its southern neighbor without mention about the time frame or the possible outcome. When talks end, UN will revert to the constitutional name (UN cannot name a country, it is out of its authority - if they had the authority, they would probably used it so far). If Macedonia changes its constitutional name (HIGHLY UNLIKELY) then it will be used in the UN (as for every other country in the world). BTW, the so-called acronym is not in use in UN, too, but only the full provisional reference. About the international community, usually the multilateral organizations (under Greek bullying) use the provisional reference. But, e.g. in NATO, every mention of "the former ..." is accompanied by a footnote stating the Turkey recognizes Republic of Macedonia with its constitutional name. Also, more than half of NATO and EU countries recognize Macedonia as such. All the UN Security Council permanent members do. For a total of 130 countries of the world with 95% of the world population.

"The reason for this rejection of recognition is that the Greek insist that the name Macedonia should be reserved for a northern Greek region. Moreover, Athens fears that the Macedonian constitution would claim Greek territory when the the two names are legitimately matching."
– There are hundreds of examples of names of countries. United States of (North) America claims whole America ? Or California claims bordering Mexican California ? Is Great Britain in fact Grand Bretagne ??? There are lots of examples, but, I have to make it simple and short - Greek Macedonia is a province, not a country (leave behind the fact that it is named in 1989 as such) so there is no legal confusion between those. Similarly about ethnicity - we are ethnic Macedonians, they can be whatever they want, including, South Macedonians of Greek origin, Greek Macedonians, Hellenic Macedonians, whatever they want. Also, our nationality is Macedonian and the language is Macedonian. It has nothing to do with ancient or medieval Macedonians or language. We are sticking to the facts in term of law and human rights. I would like to discuss history and stuff, but let's leave it for some other time - history is NEVER about facts, but about the interpretation of the facts.

"This struggle has huge consequences for the former Yugoslav republic. Greece blocked the entry of FYROM to the EU as well as NATO, which raised nationalistic sentiments in Skopje. "
– Let's try to quantify this. We are in HUGE crisis and we need help of EU and IMF ?!? Nope, we are not. It's our southern neigbour. Macedonia is taking part in every NATO mission. Macedonia signed Stabilization and Association agreement with EU and is in almost economic union with EU. Do we need more ? Yes. Can we live with this ? Yes. Regarding nationalistic sentiment, yes, the pressure from south helps, but I don't think it is so bad... It is not chauvinistic, but national romantic as expression of Macedonian nationality was suppressed in old Yugoslavia. Call it national revival.

"UN mediator Matthew Nimetz, an American diplomat, suggested different possible alternative terms to FYROM, of which the Republic of North Macedonia currently seems to be the most realistic one."
– You should check our sources. Northern Macedonia is good for Athens only. In 1991 there were one million protesters in Solun protesting our independence. In 1992, we were not recognized by EU even that Badenter Commission on former Yugoslavia okayed it for Slovenia and Macedonia. Greece and Germany traded and Croatia was recognized, and EU later even declared that will never recognize a country with Macedonia in its name ! 19 years later, we are with one leg in EU and NATO, USA, UK, Ireland, and 127 other countries recognize us, we loaned our country to attack Serbia and, now, Mr. Droutsas acknowledges the fact that we cover 38% of the region of Macedonia, and they cover 51% and that Northern Macedonia will be a nice name for them... We have a possibility to change our name to Republic of 38% of Macedonia ? Or Macedonia v2.0 ? Because HE wants it ? No, we'll wait for the final step - to drop the Northern from their wish list, and call us Republic of Macedonia (RoM for them, as Brits call RoI).

Further on, not to waste next week on commenting, I will continue to note the factual mistakes as short as possible :

– Some countries were candidates for decades. Yes, Macedonia got postponed, but has to get the date in Spanish presidency (until 31.06.2010). That's a fact.
– Corruption - yes. Like some other EU countries. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Laws are properly implemented - the courts are not functioning properly. Gender inequality is EU-wide problem, as minority equality. Do you know that for all the laws that are about some minority, that minority has to vote for that law ? It's called Badenter majority and it is in force throughout the country in which we have Albanian as second official language on whole territory, and Serbian, Turkish, Roma language on some parts of the territory. Check reports about Greece though. UN, US, EC has huge troubles with treatment of Macedonian minority in Greece...
– Negative reactions ? Yes. But, 65% are for the plan. Why should we ask for a compromise about a church and statue ? There's Phillip II statue in Plovdiv recently erected - did Bulgaria asked for compromise ? Any other example where one country asks the other if a monument should be built ? Remind you - Macedonia has 38% of region territory, can we build only 38% of the monument ?
– Encyclopedia was not even published. But I have it, if you need it. We'll see what the changes will be. IMHO, the reactions were strongly exaggerated.
– Agenda 2014 does not apply to Macedonia. If the price for full EU integration is the name, we are not paying. Therefore, any conditioning of the accession by change of the name is simple blackmail. Why should not Athens ask Ljubljana and follow Slovenian example - they resorted to simple bilateral talks and let Zagreb continue EU accession. That's good neighborliness.
– Are there any Slavic Czech ? Germanic French ? Anglican Welsh ? Or something ? There is not a single Slavic Macedonians. There are about 2,5 million self-declared Macedonians. If you want to go in language analysis, then we can speak about Slav group of languages (of which Macedonian is part). or Romance or Germanic...

And completely my remark - compromise ? Let's try to illustrate - they took us 100 euros and now want to compromise by giving us half back ?

“It takes two to tango” : Enlargement Commissioner Štefan Füle comments on Macedonia's accession talks and name dispute with Greece

Maybe you could launch a debate by developing your point of view ?

“It takes two to tango” : Enlargement Commissioner Štefan Füle comments on Macedonia's accession talks and name dispute with Greece

Ridiculous assertions. Too much to handle.

Regards, Kiro Velkovski Macedonia

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“It takes two to tango” : Enlargement Commissioner Štefan Füle comments on Macedonia's accession talks and name dispute with Greece

“It takes two to tango” : Enlargement Commissioner Štefan Füle comments on Macedonia's accession talks and name dispute with Greece

“It takes two to tango” : Enlargement Commissioner Štefan Füle comments on Macedonia's accession talks and name dispute with Greece